Seasonal storage in Ireland

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Seasonal storage in Ireland I've been looking into a large standalone circular water tank with a draindown solar collection pond on top to store enough fall solar heat to keep a house warm for a long cold very cloudy Irish winter. The cylinder might be an 18' diameter x 18' tall low-cost ferrocement or plastered-tire cistern, as used in Earthships--eg an 18' tall stack of flat rings of recycled tires (18'OD x 14'ID) tied together and filled with peat moss for insulation, with an outer cosmetic layer and a layer of wire mesh and plaster inside the rings and a simple 15-strut wood geodesic cover with twinwall polycarbonate faces... Here's a more detailed calc for a tower with a simple equilateral pentagon hat dome, with only 5 struts: 10 SCREEN 9:KEY OFF:PI=4*ATN(1) 20 GH=315'house conductance (Btu/h-F) 30 AW=300'south window area (ft^2) 40 FW=.5'window solar transmission fraction 50 ECON=300'indoor electrical energy use (kWh/mo) 60 EGAIN=3412*ECON/30'internal heat gain (Btu/day) 70 IDCYL=14'cylinder id (feet) 80 WCYL=2'cylinder wall thickness (feet) 90 HCYL=IDCYL+2*WCYL'cylinder height and OD (feet) 100 ACOV=PI*(IDCYL/2)^2'cover area (ft^2) 110 VCYL=ACOV*HCYL'cylinder volume (ft^3) 120 CCYL=62.33*VCYL'cylinder heat capacitance (Btu/F) 130 DCYL=IDCYL+WCYL'average cylinder diameter (feet) 140 AWALL=PI*DCYL*HCYL'average wall area (ft^2) 150 RWALL=3*12*WCYL'US R-value of wall (F-h-ft^2/Btu) 160 GWALL=AWALL/RWALL'cylinder wall conductance (Btu/h-F) 170 RCOV=30'US R-value of cover (F-h-ft^2/Btu) 180 GCOV=ACOV/RCOV'cover thermal conductance (Btu/h-F) 190 RDOME=2'US R-value of dome glazing (F-h-ft^2/Btu) 200 TDOME=.8'solar transmission of dome glazing 210 ADOME=PI*(HCYL/2)^2'dome surface (ft^2) 220 TW=170'initial water temp (F) 230 DATA 14.5,25,3597,12.8,20.2,2472,10.3,16.5,1607,6,12.6,849 240 DATA 6.2,13,469,5.1,13.1,689,4.6,14.7,1186,7,13.8,2199 250 FOR M=1 TO 8'Read August through March Energy Plus averages for Birr 260 READ TAVG,TMAX,IGLOH'metric temps and sun 270 TAVG=32+1.8*TAVG'24-hour average temp (F) 280 TMAX=32+1.8*TMAX'average daily max temp (F) 290 TDAY=(TAVG+TMAX)/2'est. daytime temp (F) 300 IGLOH=3.41*IGLOH/10.76'global sun on ground (Btu/ft^2-day) 310 HDAY=IGLOH/200'solar collection time (hours/day) 320 SGAIN=TDOME*ADOME*IGLOH-HDAY*(TW-TDAY)*ADOME/RDOME'net gain (Btu/day) 330 CLOSS=24*(TW-TAVG)*GWALL+(24-HDAY)*(TW-TAVG)*GCOV'net loss (Btu/day) 340 DHEAT=24*(65-TAVG)*GH'required house heat (Btu/day) 350 WGAIN=AW*FW*165/148*IGLOH'window solar gain (Btu/day) 360 SHEAT=DHEAT-WGAIN-EGAIN'required stored heat (Btu/day) 370 IF SHEAT<0 THEN SHEAT=0'no stored heat required 380 CGAIN=30*(SGAIN-CLOSS-SHEAT)'cylinder gain (Btu/month) 390 TW=TW+CGAIN/CCYL'new water temp (F) 400 IF TW>170 THEN TW=170'limit upper water temp 410 PRINT 600+M;"'";TAVG,IGLOH,SHEAT,TW 420 NEXT M 430 DTIRE=2'tire diameter (feet) 440 NTR=INT(PI*DCYL/DTIRE+.5)'approx number of tires per ring 450 HTIRE=.5'tire height (feet) 460 NR=INT(HCYL/HTIRE+.5)'approx number of rings 470 NT=NTR*NR'approx number of tires 480 PRINT 609;"'";NTR,NR,NT 490 THETA=36/180*PI'dome central half-angle (radians) 500 S=HCYL*SIN(THETA)'dome strut length (feet) 510 GH=S*COS(30/180*PI)'glazing height (feet) 520 GL=2.5*GH'total glazing length (feet) 530 GA=GH*GL'dome glazing area (ft^2) 540 DH=S*SQR(1-1/(2*TAN(THETA))^2)'dome height (feet) 550 PRINT 610;"'";S,DH 560 PRINT 611;"'";GH,GL,GA outdoor horiz sun house heat stored water month temp (F) (Btu/ft^2) (Btu/day) temp (F) Aug 58.1 1139.942 0 170 | During these months Sep 55.04 783.4127 0 170 | the house gets enough Oct 50.54 509.2816 0 170 | heat through windows. Nov 42.8 269.0604 88717.11 151.27 Dec 43.16 148.6329 106134.6 128.51 Jan 41.18 218.3541 109443.9 108.93 Feb 40.28 375.8606 89908.1 99.18 Mar 44.6 696.895 3562.5 115.61 tires per ring rings tires
25 36 900 dome strut dome height
10.58014 feet 7.676202 feet dome glazing dome glazing dome glazing height (feet) width (feet) area (ft^2)
9.162666 22.90667 209.8861 With 15 struts, we might increase the dome height to 7.67+10.58cos(30)
= 16.8 feet, which would make it more interesting for people. Earthships plaster wire mesh inside their tire cisterns. As an alternative, we might waterproof this one with 2 pieces of EPDM rubber, an 18' diameter disk on the ground and an 18' tall x 44' perimeter skirt around the ID, over several layers of welded wire fence, with a ring on the ground to join them.

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Q: I've been looking into a large standalone circular water tank with a draindown solar collection pond on top to store enough fall solar heat to keep a house warm for a long cold very cloudy Irish winter.
A: I'm far from an expert in these things but wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to build a very large solar collector and store a couple of days worth of heat than a couple of months? Q: The cylinder might be an 18' diameter x 18' tall low-cost ferrocement or plastered-tire cistern, as used in Earthships--eg an 18' tall stack of flat rings of recycled tires (18'OD x 14'ID) tied together and filled with peat moss for insulation, with an outer cosmetic layer and a layer of wire mesh and plaster inside the rings and a simple 15-strut wood geodesic cover with twinwall polycarbonate faces...
A: Are you suggesting a water tank 14 feet in diameter and 18 feet tall? Have you done any kind of engineering estimates on that to see if it can be safely built out of old tires, wire mesh and plaster as you suggest? I think, if you must have a thermal cistern, that it would be easier and cheaper to build if it was not as tall. It would be even easier if it was built out of prefabricated components. Say, a quonset hut style steel building insulated on the inside with spray-on foam and containing one or more above ground swimming pools.


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